As we have recently seen Jupuary will not have staking/voting as criteria. Stakers get ASR so why include stakers? Then should holding JLP be a criteria, it ofcourse shouldn’t be a criteria as JLP holders get 75% of fees. Should JUPsol holding be considered? i say no as they also get 11% APR currently and are well rewarded. Every JLP holder and JUPsol holder is well rewarded just as stakers are rewarded ASR. Why should they get more rewards when stakers arent getting any? If they are put into criteria then is it really fair for stakers? on one hand you say stakers get asr so they shouldnt be rewarded and on other hand you reward people holding jlp and jupsol who also get rewards for holding their assets. So what is going to be the criteria then? swap users, perps users, dca , va , limit order, ape pro users.That we will see once vote passes. But rewarding these users and not rewarding your old users, stakers seems a bit off to me. These new people will get 700m jup diluting ASR rewards for JUP stakers. Currently the price of jup is this high because of the ASR apr which it gives. Why do i say that its only this high because of the ASR rewards? JUP price fell down to 0.45$ after launch and didnt pump until ASR was brought into play.Also that was the peak market where everything was pumping after launch but not JUP. It only pumped after ASR. After ASR was brought the price went 4x. Once its down to 15 20% APR per year most of the stakers will unstake and get out. This will lead to a fall in price of jup as sell pressure will be enormous.JUP price will tank more and the current stakers who didnt unstake they will also unstake and get out. you wanted new users, well your old ones have left and the DAO didnt grow jupiverse didnt grow. So what should be done? Here’s my suggestion
Option 1 :Instead of distributing jup freely to people make people earn this new jup. keep the APR for every quarter at 25% of jup staked. So if jup staked is say 500m then the rewards should be 125m jup. From where will these jup come from? These jup come from 700m jupuary and already 200m are there from the ASR. At the end of year stake bonus should be given to people who havent unstaked their jup not even once. This will encourage people to buy more jup, stake more jup and vote for it. People who get jup for free will exit after 1 year as the current stakers would have exited and sold their jup and price will also be so much down. This way we are going to hit 5$ even 10$ during the bull season. JUP hype will be at sky levels.
Option 2 : Reward 30% of Jupuary to stakers. Lock the 30% rewards for one year even for stakers. Distribute the rest of rewards as the team wants. This will also encourage more and more participation of people in jup dao.
But by not rewarding stakers and asking them to forfeit their ASR rewards for new people who got jup for free and will get more jup from ASR isnt right. I dont understand why is the team so bent on digging its own grave. Team is proud their token mcap is more than a billion dollar but lets see if it stays that way when you dont reward your stakers.
Voting and staking is not criteria to qualify but may be a bonus criteria. So you don’t qualify by only voting/staking, but if you qualify for using the swap (or what ever the qualifier is), you may receive extra bonus for being a voter/staker.
There are plenty of other groups who have made money on top of voters. The ones you mentioned, also 5-10% of the traders are profitable long term, working groups and lots of other community contributions are rewarded already, people who received airdrop on Jupuary #1 and so on.
For who this may be unfair to, is a person who has bought JUP from CEX (so didn’t use any Jupiter product) but has been staking and voting. But even this is speculation so let’s wait for some days till the first draft proposal is out and then start the discussions again.
I tried to understand the point(s) being made. the thought really didn’t seem well put if I’m being honest. Most especially when you state that ASR is designed to reward : staking. It sounds like A: you did not participate in enough votes to maximize your stake
B: you don’t think the current ROI on asr is enough. An amount that is over 50% if I’m correct. Please someone correct me if I am incorrect on this fact.
It is a hodgepodge of arguments and statements collected over Twitter. With little understanding of the consensus mechanisms that make a DAO, a DAO. I say hodgepodge because I just don’t think anyone who had a good understanding of the pre existing mechanisms would word their argument in this manner.
“Currently the price of jup is this high because of the ASR apr which it gives”
I’m going to ask you to explain how you arrived at this conclusion.
“you wanted new users, well your old ones have left and the DAO didnt grow jupiverse didnt grow”
I really have no clue what the point of this statement is. Hard to read also.
how did i arrive at the price of jup is high because of asr is just see when jup launched and compare jup performance to market performance that is other alt coins performances. Other alts were pumping but jup was dumping. When ASR came it suddenly pumped real hard. Why didnt it pump before that?
Jupuary is a reward for users that are actively using JUP.
For me this includes everything. Instead of EXCLUDING, we should INCLUSIVE, and just average out everything.
JupSOL, is a JUP product.
JLP is powering JUP Perps which is a JUP product. (JLP as well)
SWAP, DCA, Limits are JUP products
APE, lock etc are also.
Give a small % to JUPSOL (10%)
Give a small % to JLP (10%)
Give a moderate percentage to SWAP,LIMIT,DCA (30%)
Give a small % to APE,Lock (10%)
Give a moderate % to perp traders (30%)
Keep a 10% for stakers that also where eligible for the awards on top.
This means they are
Active voters( multiplier according to #votes, earlier votes have more weight)
Used the platform (over a certain minimum criteria)
Why? These are your MOST loyal users. These guys are the pillars of the JUP community.
Supporting the DAO + supporting the product ( meaning using it )
These wallets are 200k-300k at most. Giving them 70M is to reward them for TRUST and CONTINUED support
ASR sole reason why JUP pumped during march otherwise it was going down only. When this ASR return declines you will see holding jup is no more lucrative for holders and they will sell.
There are many coins that did not pump till Btc was away for some time. Depends on what network they are on too. Many factors affects price and timing of different crypto currency’s and their ability to pump. So far mostly memes have done great and Btc. Alt season just starting
I used to stake SUSHI tokens in 2022. They ran through a similar problem way back then, as one of the defi protocols. A new protocol leader was so eager to remove any staking rewards from stakers and only reward people who had been doing the swaps. What happened was that you had a lot of stakers withdraw their staked Sushi with a humongous sell pressure.
Stakers invest into a protocol with expectation that they get a cut of rewards. Their main concern is the dilution of their investment. How are stakers getting rewarded if you constantly have a dilution of asset with distribution and unlocks. Hence the stakers got to be rewarded and be part of the distribution.
You just jolted me out of my jup reverie.
History is important, as the future mimics the past.
I really do hope all the “staking criteria excluded” talk is just needed nda to avoid interest clash.
If the former should not be rewarded, why should the latter?
ASR is not a welfare/gift/giveaway, it is the ROI. It should not be used as an excuse to ignore stakers imo.
Every other actor such as traders, jupSOL, JLP holders, etc. all get the result of their investments and actions, plus Jupuary drop, however, it should be barred for stakers because they also get the result of their investment?
Let’s also keep in mind that stakers are the ones who would be voting on and funding Jupuary. Do we see Jupuary passing?
we are talking about Q1 2024 pump here every coin was pumping crazy but jup did not until ASR rewards were announced. This is the thing jup price is directly linked with the incentives people get for holding/staking their jup.
exactly my thoughts and you expressed it beautifully in words. We lock to get the rewards where as jlp jupsol holders can get out anytime, arent we the ones taking a greater risk by locking jup for 30days.
I felt at least anyone with minimum of 10 votes with minimum 10jup stakes should be added as multipler not direct criteria. Whale will not even bother orlf not getting jupnuary drop through ASR. 40% Roi is massive in 3month for ASR program for whales.
ASR are currently great… but will be 1/3 of what they are after Jupuary. Staking will no longer be a strong enough incentive to tie up JUP for a minimum of 30 days during a bull market. The opportunity cost is just too big.