Definitely some valid points… but ultimately we will have to wait for the draft proposal. You’ve pointed out a few reasons why large stakers aren’t feeling too great right now. This is the best team and DAO in the industry… they haven’t let the community down and I am putting my trust in them and hoping for the best. I just can’t see how there won’t be some sort of bonus for stakers. This team is too smart to make such a drastic mistake.
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Either way, let’s say it’s 1/3. The compounding effect would still be an amazing ROU.
There isn’t many other protocols out there delivering like that
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nothing revealed about jlp or jupsol yet.
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when the incentive isnt high enough to keep stakers continue staking their jup then they will exit leading to sell pressure in jup.
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forfeited tokens goes back to ASR pool ig 30-40% would be insta claiming, meow said vote is to be considered wo keeping self interest, but majority are concerned if they get additional benefits.
Think about it. I would think there will be a lot of unclaimed tokens again, plus a lot of people will probably claim just 25%. Probably a minimum of 10% will hang on to their tokens even after the year is up. Most will claim from 50%~80%. That means a lot of free tokens probably going to stakers.
i dont get it if 40% people will be jeeting their jup why even award them free jup in the first place? meow wants to expand the jupiverse but among the new users who get jup 40% will leave. Expanding jup but at the cost of current stakers.
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Listen stalkers…for doing just staking u have ASR reward around 40 percent annually.Jupiary is for users with jupiters platform.How you gus who just staking and doing nothing wants a jupiary which is design for Jupiter UsersHow greedy you are guys?You are not happy for ASR?what r u talking about?do something trade,be active and you stalkers will get airdrop.Stop moaning and crying like kids and thretening that I can unstake may jupitersand bla bla bla.The GREED took up the stalkers mind…You should be shameful threatening the Jupiter community!!!
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look we cant blame taking profits thats what tax is imposed so to minimize impact and that goes back to ASR as rewarding who are more committed towards this initiative and trust me no one is innocent i believe stakers might too try TP at the first place to ride free, after all jup is more than voting booth we need to push more narrative forward, word to word, token to token.
Good and valid points, well spelt out.
Excluding stakers from jupuary is simply outrageous.
Why would i vote for a jupuary where beneficiaries get awarded JUP bags that greatly dwarf my hard earned and long staked JUP, thus making a newcomer enjoy more ASR rewards going forward.
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Here are my main Points on why Stakers should be included, maybe i can make you think twice.
1. Stakers contribute to JUP’s stability:
Stakers play a crucial role in maintaining the stability of the JUP Price.
2. ASR is a reward for staking, but stakers should still be recognized:
I understand that ASR is tied to staking as a reward, but if holding JUPsol or JLP is part of the criteria for recognition, then stakers should also be included. Staking isn’t just about earning rewards, it should be counted as interacting with Jup and its products.
3. Staking and voting are top-tier interactions:
Staking and voting on proposals should be considered high-value interactions with JUP products. These actions go beyond just holding tokens—they’re about engaging in the governance and growth of the platform. Staking is not passive; it’s an active way of supporting the ecosystem.
4. Jupuary should include stakers:
While Jupuary is designed to engage new users, many of these new users could also be stakers who have already contributed to the platform. They’ve already interacted with JUP products by staking and voting, and that engagement should be recognized as part of their community involvement.
5. Staking is an interaction with JUP products:
Ultimately, my argument is that staking should be recognized as a form of interaction with JUP products. Stakers are not just holding tokens—they are actively supporting and securing the ecosystem, and that contribution should be acknowledged.
You may not agree but hopefully you can see where i am coming from.
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You are getting a huge supply shock and value dilution once jupuary releases tokens. Your value of staked tokens gets diluted, regardless of asr. Stakers get to lose more in this as they have their tokens locked. Design the distribution, rewarding long term behavior, rather than alienate stakers
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what do u mean by supply shock as if it wasnt meant to be part of circulation, ofcourse it was stated in tokenomics, even meow knows thats what its going to be addressed in coming monday jup rally, he did hinted that a bonus might be a choice but under consideration, and still that wont satisfy i believe on top of ASR. because it needs to be more that ASR to satisfy linearly.
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Jupuary is not in circulation
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Yes all valid points but if our goal is to minimise Sybil, staking will be a large Sybil.
Greta points raised however!
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Been seeing this narrative being pushed a lot.
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the concept of double dipping needs to go away.
Ever since that one message from @meow stating stakers wouldn’t be rewarded this Jupuary, the farmers have been using it to gaslight us more into giving them the $800m check.
Every holders earns some rewards, ASR is the same.
JupSOL holders earn APR, should they also be excluded?
JLP holders earn fees, should they also be excluded?
Exchange users (if organic) bought/sold what they wanted for gains. If they made gains, should they also be excluded?
Jupuary is a WELFARE CHECK. 
ASR is earned through capital investment, opportunity cost of locking the said capital, and time investment to vote. Same as any business owner or 9-5 workers.
They are not the same and should not be used to screw investors even further by calling it double dipping.
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Like I mentioned before, every time there is a distribution or unlock all participants who participate in the network/apps/staking/etc. should be rewarded, some may be less than the others. From staker’s perspective, our concern is the value dilution of the asset.
Sybil has never been a problem during asr distribution.
Why is it now a problem.
Jupuary and ASR distribution can easily share same distro model and, as such, mind perspective.
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check out this post. have a look at how many people have 1 jup staked. Combating obvious sybil note this is old data too
Thanks for sharing! Very interesting. But it all is solvable by cutting them off (1 or less cohort) You put that into the vote and all is decided by majority. Get rid of those cybil accounts. These may be bots that someone has launched and they are controlled by some major entity. Very interesting information!
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