The fact that staking JUP would reward ~ 48.5% from ASR + 15.9% from Jupuary totalling 64.4% in my opinion is more than enough incentive for JUP whales to HODL JUP and to stake.
Most farming can be eliminated with deduplication through blockchain analysis and through anti-Sybil measures.
Another ~ 11.3 Million low quality spam users / bots and airdrop farmers with less than $100 in total trading volume would also be excluded from the JUP airdrop.
Fair point. My reason for keeping the linear allocation for perps is that perps cost around 20% in fees for any position resulting in $2,000 of fees on $10,000 in collateral, whereas swaps would cost around ~ $5 - $25+ per $10,000 in volume depending on the asset swapped, the fees, routes, slippage and liquidity.
$1000+ is indeed a good starting point for the majority of the allocation (660M JUP).
The $100+ tier has only 10 JUP per wallet allocated totalling 40M JUP, which weeds out 11.3 Million wallets already.
Youâre saying:
But we shouldnât forget most people (like ourselves) discussing these topics are from North America, Europe and wealthier Asian countries and other wealthy nations where $100 of total volume may not have any significance.
But here is my comment on the argument for including $100+ from a previous reply:
About your other point:
There are only 3,885,443 wallets in the $100+ tier with only 40M JUP (5.7% of the total airdrop) allocated:
Iâll stop the argument here because I donât think thereâs any point in continuing. It seems that youâre ignoring my arguments and just trying to justify things in a way that benefits you, not the DAO.
Your proposal clearly comes from someone unhappy with their staking performance and trying to push the narrative that âproduct usersâ are more important than the stakers. Obviously, this is likely because it benefits your position.
In my opinion, itâs just a really bad proposal.
Iâm not going to lie: of course, Iâm more in favor of a 100% Jupuary distribution for stakers because it would benefit me too. But I also use Jupiter products daily, so Iâd be well-situated in your structure.
Yet even with that in mind, it still looks like a terrible proposal to me. It benefits farmers over everyone else and pushes stakers and whales to unlock their tokens and move to another project.
Iâm sure that if this distribution proposal came to a vote, it would never pass. And even if, by some chance, it did, many stakers would simply unlock and move to another project that truly values the effort of participating in governance.
(Myself included.)
P.S. â And yes, the point of ASR is to reward staking, but it becomes irrelevant when youâre injecting more tokens in a single day to âusersâ than stakers can earn from ASR over almost two years.
Letâs agree to disagree. The team will be tasked with the final proposal considering all users and stakeholders.
Iâm not ignoring your arguments but replying to it. You on the other hand seem to ignore my comment here:
''It is not a reward for people who donât hold or stake JUP.
Jupuary is a part of the 40% distribution to the community as laid out in the JUP tokenomics. It provides a fair distribution and decentralisation method for JUP.
Itâs a balancedcommunity-refined distribution proposal that is inclusive and comprehensive - providing sufficient decentralisation and distribution of JUP.ââ
Jupuary is not about benefitting the DAO. Itâs not about me either. Jupuary is about distributing JUP to all 3,885,443+ Jupiter users and stakeholders.
Jupuary is about distributing 40% (now 28.85) of JUP supply to the community as laid out in the JUP tokenomics. This 40% has now been reduced to 28.85% after 215M unclaimed JUP going to ASR and the 30% burn of 900M JUP.
No. Thatâs not the case. Jupuary is about distributing JUP to the community. Itâs not about who is more important or even about who deserves a reward.
The base of Jupiter users and stakeholders includes the DAO / JUP Stakers, Community contributors, New Feature Users, Perpetual Traders, JLP holders, $10M+ tier, $1M - $10M tier, $100K - $1M tier, $10K - $100K tier, $1K - $10K tier and $100+ users.
It includes the broad base of Jupiter users and stakeholders: DAO / JUP Stakers, Community contributors, New Feature Users, Perpetual Traders, JLP holders, $10M+ tier, $1M - $10M tier, $100K - $1M tier, $10K - $100K tier, $1K - $10K tier and $100+ users.
Youâre saying that 64.4% additional JUP as reward is not enough. Thatâs crazy. I am certain that most whales and JUP stakers donât see it that way.
Thereâs not any other $1B+ project I know of where you can get 64.4% additional tokens from holding and staking.
The fact that staking JUP would reward ~ 48.5% from ASR + 15.9% from Jupuary totalling 64.4% in my opinion is more than enough incentive for JUP whales to HODL JUP and to stake.
Itâs not about how many tokens are distributed, but about how such distribution theoretically could effect the staker by effecting the price of JUP.
The injection of 50% new tokens could cause at the most 33% price decrease (assuming everyone sells their JUP, which is statistically impossible).
A 1% - 20% sell rate is much more realistic, only causing a few percent price decrease due to âinflationâ. A few 10âs of million JUP being sold from the airdrop can easily be absorbed by the market.
With a FDV of $10 Billion and already #56 on CMC within one year, I think JUP is doing great and there is no need to fear a 33% downturn in the price from a so-called 50% ââinflationââ. Many airdrop beneficiaries wonât sell their JUP.
Even if there would be a 33% price downturn, the 48.5% from ASR + 15.9% from Jupuary totalling 64.4% would more than cover that.
Tiered system can only be gamed if someone has inside info, while it usually brings further decentralization of the token holdings unlike the linear system
I know, but I donât think this is enough. The threshold for JUP airdrop should increase significantly given not just growth in the ecosystem, but also growth in the Sol price over the past year (10x). Itâs really not very difficult for a wallet to transact with $100 is it? Thatâs definitely going to be farming level transactions - why should someone doing $100 volume get 10 JUP per your proposal? Thatâs absurd! (in my opinionâŚ)
I completely agree @Jazy. There is a balance of course, but such a small portion to JUP stakers, and such a big portion available to such low level users is only going to play into all the airdrop farmers who have no doubt been spamming the ecosystem in anticipation of this airdrop. It should be harder to get the airdrop this year to prevent this as I have said multiple times.
It feels like there is a lot of bias in your posts @JUPWhale and you are making a lot of assumptions on behalf of JUP which I donât necessarily agree with.
Please try to stay factual and truthful in your statements. The price of SOL 1 year ago was $38.51 and today $174.62 which is 4.5X and not 10X.
Further deduplication and anti-Sybil needs to also be applied by the team to counter farming:
But we shouldnât forget most people (like ourselves) discussing these topics are from North America, Europe and wealthier Asian countries and other wealthy nations where $100 of total volume may not have any significance.
Here is my comment on including $100+ from a previous reply:
I meant generally of course. If I wanted to be factual Iâd have quoted dates. Broadly, from the bottom of Sol, to ca. the top of the rebound is roughly 20 - 200 (10x) in the time since the last snapshot was taken. Thatâs a lot of growth.
Yes, and again, I am allowed to disagree with you! I donât need you to keep showing me your comments which reinforce your point
It seems like you have not properly read my proposal. The largest part of 94.4% of the allocation (660M out of 700M) would go to:
The DAO / JUP Stakers, Community contributors, New Feature Users, Perpetual Traders, JLP holders, $10M+ tier, $1M - $10M tier, $100K - $1M tier, $10K - $100K tier, $1K - $10K tier.
Only 5.6% (40M out of 700M) was set to go to $100+ users, after already filtering out 11.3 Million sub < $100 volume users.
Then the proposal includes adjusted volume and futher deduplication and anti-Sybil. I assume you know the meaning of this in relation to airdrop farming.
It is not a reward for people who donât hold or stake JUP.
Jupuary is a part of the 40% distribution to the community as laid out in the JUP tokenomics. It provides a fair distribution and decentralisation method for JUP.
Itâs a balancedcommunity-refined distribution proposal that is inclusive and comprehensive - providing sufficient decentralisation and distribution of JUP.
JUP has not yet been fully distributed. Itâs about putting JUP into the hands of the Jupiter community. The JUP distribution process takes years like @meow said.
I strongly disagree for two important reasons.
The fact that staking JUP would reward ~ 48.5% from ASR + 15.9% from Jupuary totalling 64.4% in my opinion is more than enough incentive for JUP whales to HODL JUP and to stake.
Most farming can be eliminated with deduplication through blockchain analysis and through anti-Sybil measures.Another ~ 11.3 Million low quality spam users / bots and airdrop farmers with less than $100 in total trading volume would also be excluded from the JUP airdrop.
I can argue with that because I know at least 2 people who have sybilled different protocols (and many more who I donât know). Let me put it this way - those people have money, like more than enough money and whenever they see opportunity they take action. If you find a proof that the costs of swapping/making 10m volume is equal or higher than the dollar equivalent of 9045 JUP then itâs case closed. It is very naive to think that farmers are only those with 100$ or below in volume. Times are very different from a year ago and even more different than 2 years ago
Fair point, but weâre only looking at 4,422 users for the $10M+ tier. In theory that tier could contain a few farmers but I donât think it would even be worth the risk considering the costs and the uncertainty about Jupuary.
These guys wonât have enough certainty about the airdrop distribution, hence not taking the risk to spend $2,500 - $7,500+++ on generating $10M+ volume with zero guarantee of getting 9,045 JUP (which is just speculation from a community member (me) anyways).
The $0 - $100 tier on the other hand is full with 11,361,557 low quality low volume wallets. A lot of that isnât even intentional farming but mainly buy bots to manipulate memecoin trending algoâs by increasing the unique maker count and transaction count.
In the time that the last snapshot was taken SOL went from $38.51 to $174.62 which is 4.5X. That 10X is only possible by including pre-snapshot dates, which arenât relevant for round 2.
Jupuary is meant to distribute JUP to the community of Jupiter users.
There is 10B JUP (part being burned now). Just 1.35B is in circulation so far.
The goal of Jupuary is to bring 40% (28.85% after the burn and unclaimed JUP) of total JUP into circulation by fairly distributing it among the community of Jupiter users and stakeholders.
785 Million (7.85% of JUP supply) was successfully brought into circulation in round 1, with the 215M unclaimed JUP going to reward JUP stakers (ASR).
It then doesnât make any sense to say: ââYou can also just buy JUPââ. Sure they can but that has nothing to do with the point of the distributing 40% (28.85% after the burn) JUP according to the tokenomics - through 4 (or 3) rounds of Jupuary.
The goal of Jupuary is to put JUP into the hands of legitimate Jupiter users, who may or may not yet be JUP holders.
Thatâs why Iâm proposing a balanced distribution to the DAO / JUP Stakers, Community contributors, New Feature Users, Perpetual Traders, JLP holders, $10M+ tier, $1M - $10M tier, $100K - $1M tier, $10K - $100K tier, $1K - $10K tier, $100+ tier.
You seem to have an issue with JUP tokenomics, but thatâs the token you bought into and the 40% (28.85% after the burn) JUP is a part of that.
And it doesnât make sense to reply: ââjust airdrop it to JUP holders / stakersââ as this was never meant by Meow or the Jupiter team when they mentioned Jupuary as a broad inclusive growth oriented distribution to the millions of Jupiter users.
Linear is best for stakers as they have invested their own money.
Tiered better for all other criteria. Tiered system has been gamed already in Jupanuary and ASR. It will be gamed again.
Example of Tiered being gamed (doesnât include undetectable sybils):
Idk i was a fan of the tiered, even though i got one of the bottom ones last year. With tiers, the benfits is they real Og cats out there get jup in thier hand and are less likely to dump