Facing the Facts: Jupiter’s Real Problems and Misleading Narratives put forth by the TEAM

I deeply appreciate what the Jupiter team has built—a leading decentralized exchange (DEX) on Solana, remarkable technology, and a passionate community. However, as an investor and supporter, I see substantial issues in the project’s strategy, particularly around the management of the $JUP token, the DAO’s effectiveness, and the misleading narratives put forward by the team.

Below, I outline core areas where, in my view, the team’s messages and actions are misaligned, misleading, or simply problematic:


1. Misleading Token Economics and Supply Overhang

Issue:
The Jupiter team consistently downplays the massive token supply problem. Even after burning 3 billion tokens, 7 billion tokens remain—many still not in circulation. Each token unlock puts heavy selling pressure on the market, undermining price stability and investor confidence. Yet the team promotes the narrative that supply is manageable and that the burn solved major issues, which isn’t accurate.

Misleading Narrative:
The team claims burning tokens demonstrates their commitment and generosity, but in reality, they mainly protected the value of their personal holdings, salaries, and future bonuses. This is not community-driven altruism—it’s basic economic self-interest.


2. Governance: DAO as Decoration

Issue:
Jupiter’s team frequently emphasizes “meaningful governance” and “real DAO power,” but the truth is, the DAO currently has minimal meaningful influence. All significant proposals—such as Meow’s 2030 lock-in or tokenomics decisions—are carefully drafted by the team, offering the DAO a choice between equally limited or unattractive options.

Misleading Narrative:
Claiming the DAO holds “real power” is disingenuous when community members cannot genuinely propose meaningful changes themselves. The DAO is more of a marketing tool than a governing body, used to create a sense of ownership while retaining real power within the team.


3. Token Utility and Real Value: Missing Entirely

Issue:
Despite grand claims of the token’s crucial role, JUP has virtually no meaningful utility. Staking provides no direct financial reward or platform perks beyond additional JUP tokens—which is just dilution dressed up as reward. There’s currently no link between Jupiter’s business success and JUP holder returns.

Misleading Narrative:
The team describes JUP as a vital alignment tool, but what exactly does it align? It does not connect the community’s financial interests with Jupiter’s real success or revenues. It primarily serves to keep investors holding tokens out of speculative hope, not genuine incentive or value.


4. Revenue and Transparency Concerns

Issue:
Meow claims Jupiter has around $150 million in assets (mostly from initial token sales), describing financial stability without VC funding as a virtue. In reality, Jupiter raised substantial funds directly from the community’s own pockets, avoiding transparency typically required by venture capital.

Misleading Narrative:
Celebrating the lack of VC investment as independence overlooks accountability. Without clear financial disclosures—how money is spent, exact revenue streams, operational costs, and salaries—the community is left guessing. Transparency audits of tokens don’t reveal how actual funds (USDC) are managed or spent.


5. Litterbox and Strategic Reserve: Misleading Token Recycling

Issue:
The Litterbox initiative, presented as a strategic reserve funded by Jupiter’s revenues, sounds beneficial—until it becomes clear these bought-back tokens are not being removed from circulation permanently. Instead, the tokens bought with protocol revenues are typically redistributed as salaries, bonuses, or payments for content creators, thus creating continual sell pressure.

Misleading Narrative:
Positioning Litterbox as a deflationary or supportive mechanism is misleading. It’s essentially token recycling—not real buybacks and burns. Ultimately, this just shifts tokens around without addressing fundamental supply issues or providing genuine value to holders.


6. “Grow the Pie” Narrative: Pushing Marketing over Utility

Issue:
The team frequently frames dilutionary activities like Jupuary or aggressive airdrops as “growing the pie.” Yet this merely expands short-term speculative interest rather than sustainable growth. More tokens in more hands without meaningful utility or organic demand leads inevitably to further price drops, not stable growth.

Misleading Narrative:
The message that massive token giveaways build long-term community strength obscures the real effect: increasing holder count temporarily boosts the appearance of activity but erodes long-term token value. True growth requires actual product utility and a compelling economic reason to hold the token—not endless dilutionary distributions.


7. Team and Community Alignment: Broken Promise

Issue:
Despite repeated claims of alignment between team, token holders, and community interests, reality contradicts these assertions. The team benefits directly through large token allocations, salary payments, and clear financial upside. Token holders receive speculative tokens that steadily lose value through dilution and unlocks.

Misleading Narrative:
The notion of “alignment” suggests a shared fate. But when holders’ primary benefit is speculative hope and team members enjoy guaranteed salaries and generous token allocations, alignment becomes an illusion. Token holders bear the market risk, while the team benefits regardless of the token’s actual market performance.


8. The 2030 Proposal: Breaking the 50/50 Commitment

Issue:
The controversial 2030 Proposal shifted 220 million JUP from the DAO treasury to Meow personally, changing the initial 50/50 split and severely weakening DAO’s future influence. This decision was portrayed as aligning Meow’s long-term interests with Jupiter—but it primarily diluted DAO holdings and effectively broke trust.

Misleading Narrative:
Characterizing the 2030 Proposal as a neutral or beneficial act of long-term alignment is profoundly misleading. The DAO was offered two equally unfavorable choices—both leading to dilution—and the community treasury ended up paying Meow directly. This undermines trust and suggests the DAO treasury is vulnerable to future team-driven demands.


** A Call for Genuine Change**

This is not a critique intended to cause FUD. It’s a heartfelt call for clarity, honesty, and genuine change. Jupiter’s community deserves respect, transparency, and authentic alignment between holders and the team. Token holders need genuine utility, real financial rewards tied to the protocol’s success, and meaningful governance rights—not token giveaways or diluted voting power.

To restore trust, the team must:

  • Introduce meaningful JUP utility (fee-sharing, platform benefits, genuine burns).
  • Enable true, community-driven DAO governance.
  • Provide full financial transparency (real revenues, USDC balances, clear accounting).
  • Align team and community interests honestly, with shared risk and reward.

Only through genuine transparency, real utility, and authentic empowerment of the DAO can Jupiter live up to its decentralized promise and maintain the trust and support of its community.

Current Problem: Governance Alone Isn’t Enough

While governance is often highlighted as the central utility of JUP, it provides limited practical value. Holders can vote, but only on proposals carefully curated by the core team. This restricts the DAO’s actual influence and makes staking feel symbolic rather than financially rewarding or practically beneficial.

JUP’s current value largely relies on speculative interest, with its future token releases creating persistent selling pressure. Each new unlock adds uncertainty, reducing investor confidence and incentivizing short-term speculation over genuine commitment. Simply put, holding JUP right now does not provide tangible, day-to-day benefits—leaving the token vulnerable to constant volatility.

Needed Solution: Real Utility & Financial Incentives

To transform JUP from a speculative asset into a genuinely valuable token, we need mechanisms that reward long-term holders and directly link Jupiter’s success with holder benefits. Below, I propose practical solutions to achieve this:

1. Staking Tiers with Real Platform Benefits

Create clear staking tiers that provide tangible benefits on the Jupiter platform. For example, users who stake certain amounts of JUP should gain trading fee discounts, early access to new features, or enhanced lending and borrowing rates. By connecting staking directly to daily usage advantages, JUP becomes a critical part of the user experience, similar to successful models like BNB or FTT.

2. Revenue Sharing (“Real Yield”)

Introduce a clear revenue-sharing model where a portion of Jupiter’s fees are regularly distributed back to JUP stakers, ideally in a stablecoin like USDC or through token buybacks. Sharing real revenue directly aligns holders’ interests with the protocol’s performance, offering true financial incentives beyond token emissions alone.

3. Implement Token Buyback-and-Burn

Consistently use a portion of protocol revenue to purchase and burn JUP tokens from the market. Regular buybacks transparently address supply concerns and create upward pressure on token value by actively reducing circulating supply. This practice reassures holders that ongoing platform success directly benefits them.

4. Genuine DAO Empowerment

Empower the DAO by allowing community members to propose and vote on meaningful governance decisions—especially token utility and economic policies. Granting the community genuine governance rights signals trust and builds a stronger sense of collective ownership and responsibility for Jupiter’s long-term success.

Why These Changes Matter

Implementing these solutions turns JUP holders into true stakeholders. It transforms the token into something valuable not just for speculative potential, but for tangible, everyday utility and revenue generation. Holders who directly benefit from Jupiter’s growth become loyal advocates rather than short-term speculators.

Real utility and financial incentives help stabilize and grow token value sustainably. It aligns incentives for holders, community builders, and the team, creating a mutually beneficial cycle of growth, value creation, and platform adoption.

Concrete Demands for the Team and Core Working Groups:

Given these ongoing concerns, I explicitly demand that the Jupiter team and DAO-funded Core Working Groups immediately take the following actions:

  1. Introduce Genuine Token Utility:
  • Implement clear staking tiers with benefits like trading fee discounts, priority platform access, and enhanced rates.
  • Establish transparent revenue-sharing mechanisms (real yield) distributing protocol fees to stakers, ideally in stablecoins like USDC.
  • Regularly execute genuine token buyback-and-burn programs to reduce supply and support token value.
  1. Empower Real DAO Governance:
  • Enable community members to freely propose significant governance decisions, particularly related to economic policies and token utility, without reliance solely on the team’s preselected choices.
  1. Ensure Complete Financial Transparency:
  • Provide full, transparent accounting of revenues, operational expenses, salaries, and financial reserves clearly to the community.
  1. Align Interests Honestly and Equitably:
  • Develop transparent, fair compensation models that genuinely tie team incentives to long-term token performance and community success, not solely internal economic benefit.

Immediate Action Required:

I demand the Jupiter team and Core Working Groups (funded by the DAO) immediately draft these proposals clearly, explicitly, and put them forth for community voting. The narrative that our voices matter must be matched by action—no more symbolic gestures.

Stop misleading the community, give $JUP real purpose, and truly empower your stakeholders.

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I do not read this as FUD. Concrete feedback, problem identification, and offering solutions is exactly how things should move forward. Will all of this be implemented tomorrow? Doubtful, but it keeps the conversation moving.

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i admire your constancy and commitment to the Jupiverse. Thanks again @ihateoranges (oranges are our favorite fruits at home :rofl: ) my BBBwishes!!

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@ihateoranges, man, you are hitting all my concerns one by one. I realized those things, but could invest so much time and mental thought effort to put this into this structure. We had discussions in another thread. I really appreciate your deep and structural thinking and ideas! i wonder if any of this will be addressed by Kash.

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Finally someone said it clearly. You raised a doubt that many of us share. Those who have experience in the crypto world know how to do the math: transparency is essential, but it cannot stop there. We, as a community, have given so much: we have made the Jupiter token great, which without us would be just another token. Now it’s time for something to come back. We need to build something for ourselves, for our pockets, and do it with the same commitment and love that we put into Jupiter. We need an initiative that unites the strength of the community and the skills of the team, creating an ecosystem that lasts over time. Even a very small part of the treasure could make a big difference for us. If necessary, we can invest our resources, exploiting their image and knowledge to create something unique. A project that brings fame to them, but tangible benefits to us.

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no one said burning the tokens was us being “generous” lmao. we did it because, as you point out, people wanted more certainty on emissions and the unreleased supply.

so in this case, we respond directly to community feedback, and yet we are still the bad guys??

even if what you’re saying is true (that the burn was done to improve price, which it was not), then how is that self-interest when there are also 980k other holders?


team didn’t create literally any of the Working Group proposals or the LFG proposals, which represent more than half of the all votes to date. what you are saying is obviously not true.

now we can disagree whether or not the DAO is as empowered as you’d like - agree that there is reasonable room for debate there.

but the idea that it is “decoration” is on its face wrong.


50% of protocol fees (i.e. the Jupiter business) go to the Litterbox Trust, which then buys $JUP. how is that not direct linkage between business revenue and the token? is it only “Alignment” if it’s 100%?


this is a wildddd take. have you done any investing? if so, can you point me to any companies that open their books to their VCs?

our revenue is onchain, and can be found on any number of dashboards. what specific salaries are being paid out is, frankly, not relevant to the DAO.

but more fundamentally, this misunderstands what the point of the DAO is. the DAO is not here to be an auditor nor a babysitter for the team.


No one said it was deflationary? where are you getting these takes from. it feels like you’re inventing straw men just so you can take them down.

to be honest man - if you don’t think there’s value in holding the token, don’t hold the token! we’re not forcing you or anyone else to be part of this journey with us. we believe that the governance power is meaningful and that the organic, transparent, and aligned nature of the token is rare in this market.


agree to disagree here. jupuary has proven useful twice now in building more awareness, expanding the community, and expanding product usage. if you don’t think so, fair enough. but there’s not really an argument to be made here.


this logic doesn’t make any sense. you say that the team gets paid with tokens, and that token holders bear the market risk, and yet somehow the team does not fall into your definition of token holders bearing market risk? what?


unclear to me how 2030 vote “severely weakened DAO’s future influence”, but in either case the community voted and a clear majority was in favor. it is your right to disagree, but it is a settled issue at this point.


while i respect your other suggestions, the way that you framed these issues feels deeply uncharitable, hence the point by point replies.

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Thank you for responding to each point. I really wanted to but just couldn’t get through the original post. Plus, I feel your responses carry far more weight than mine would.

One thing I would correct, though, is the punctuation on this sentence as it could be read differently than intended. Need to switch the period and question mark around.

I can feel your concern but the team own their token and extremely building value for it token and it product, you have every right to move your investments to other token if they aren’t aligned with your objection or opinions, individual coming to invest can’t dictate how the Dao or company should be run to the team but you can suggest through feedback. The initial narrative is clearly, supply 1 billion or tokens every year for good 3 years what the you expect and they are even supplying it by giving it back to the community by means of incentives or airdrop. It’s actually a marketing plan for team while I believe anyone who wants to invest should note that it’s long-term investment for them not complaining of token price every time. I know you’re not trying to FUD but you need to understand some basic functions of crypto in term of investment planning. It’s always good to invest how much you can afford to loss because of market volatility.

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Y’all didn’t exactly bring up the fact that the burn would be on uncirculated supply until asked about it. The burn if anything seemed to cause token price to drop and I do feel like that was known to the team but remained an omitted truth to holders. Catstanbul and Bringing on drip also seemed tanked the token further. At least catstanbul was a fun thing to distract those close enough from the now seemingly inevitable downturn of token price. Or it sure appeared that way. I’ve done nothing but lost money in vested JUP this year so far. And I feel like y’all only have it set for 30 days unlock to act as a blanket of complacency, so everyone doesnt dip and leave y’all desolate.

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Now mind you I do understand that the entire planet is undergoing large political discomfort and it is absolutely affecting Jupiter as well. Hell I’m in sales and traditionally March and October have always been my best 2 months of the Year ,running 6+ sales appointments per week on avg. I think I had 4 appointments for the whole entire month this year. Unstaking is looking more palatable than riding out the next quarter to receive minimal rewards and i say this, being.a top 10% staker that used 2 mill in volume across the aggregator last year

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this is not true, of course we said it was out of uncirculated supply. how would we even burn 3b circulating tokens?

and let me assure you, the price drop was not known to the team, not omitted from anyone. we don’t know the future of price more than anyone else.

we have a 30 day cooldown period not to create a “blanket of complacency”, but rather because we want people who are longer-term aligned to participate in governance

Thanks for the reply, Kash. I appreciate the honesty and tone.

Let’s unpack this a bit.

You’re right — nobody from the team explicitly said the burn was about generosity. But let’s not pretend it wasn’t framed that way. Meow’s public posts at the time highlighted the team’s willingness to “burn a big part of their own supply” as a meaningful gesture. That, paired with the announcement’s timing and tone, certainly painted it as a move of noble intent.

And sure, it addressed community concerns about FDV and emissions — but doing so also benefited the team by easing pressure on their own future allocations. That’s the part I’m pointing to. It was a smart move, but let’s not pretend it was purely about listening to the community. It was an economically sound decision that served both the team and token optics.

As for the 980,000 holders — fair point, but that’s exactly why transparency matters so much. If the team truly wants alignment, then every major decision (like massive burns, strategic reserves, long-term unlock plans) should be evaluated not just on what it signals, but on who actually benefits and how.

And to be clear — my critique isn’t that the burn was bad. It’s that the narrative around it often feels conveniently one-sided. It served the community and the team. But the way it was framed? It leaned heavy on the former, and avoided talking about the latter.

This isn’t about villainizing the team — it’s about asking for clarity, balance, and a little less spin when it comes to decisions that directly affect investor confidence and token economics.

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You’re right to point out that many Working Group and LFG proposals came from community members — and I’m not here to discredit the efforts of those contributors. But let’s take a step back and evaluate what kind of governance we’re actually engaging in.

Yes, we’ve had votes. But the window of what gets voted on is extremely narrow — it’s largely confined to:

  • Marketing budget allocations,
  • Creation and funding of new community-facing “marketing teams”, and
  • Initiatives that serve to promote the Jupiter platform.

That’s not what many of us envisioned when we were told this would be a DAO. Real governance is about influence over core decisions — not just promotional activity. It’s not about choosing which banner to wave or which team gets a budget to promote the brand. It’s about tokenomics, utility, revenue flow, strategic direction — and none of that has ever been on the table.

That’s why I use the word “decoration.” Not as a jab at the contributors doing valuable work, but to call out how limited the actual authority of the DAO really is. The big levers remain firmly in the hands of the team, and this resolution seems to cement that status for at least two more years.

And let’s be real about LFG version 1 — it was marketed as a way to deliver real ROI for stakers. But it flopped so hard that the team had to quietly shut it down. The uproar from stakers was clear, and yet no meaningful replacement with genuine value for stakers has taken its place.

So yes, the DAO is “active,” but being active isn’t the same as being empowered. It’s hard not to see it as a supporting branch of the marketing department — valuable, sure, but a far cry from decentralized governance.

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Yes, 50% of protocol fees going into the Litterbox to buy $JUP is technically a mechanism that ties business revenue to the token. But let’s be honest — that linkage is incredibly indirect, and currently offers no material benefit to stakers or holders.

The tokens bought via the Litterbox just sit there. They’re not redistributed to the community. They’re not used to reward stakers. They’re not burned. And most importantly — they’re not even under DAO control.

Right now, the Litterbox is managed by a separate entity, and while there’s been talk of eventually transferring it to the DAO treasury, that has not been formalized. Even if it is someday — what guarantees are there that it won’t be clawed back or redirected again, like we saw with the 280M JUP reallocation in the 2030 proposal, where community-held tokens were shifted without clear recourse?

This is the core of the problem: There is no binding commitment that Litterbox tokens will ever benefit JUP stakers, the DAO, or the broader community.

So even if the system is technically “buying back” tokens with real revenue, it’s doing so into a locked, opaque vault. That’s not alignment — that’s optics.

Real value accrual would mean:

  • Stakers receiving a share of protocol revenues, in JUP or USDC.
  • Access to perks or reduced fees.
  • Voting power over how those purchased tokens are used.
  • Clear, on-chain mechanisms that ensure funds cannot be quietly redirected.

Until we have that, the Litterbox isn’t a token utility system — it’s just a one-way sink with no guarantees on outcomes.

So no — this isn’t about needing 100% of the revenue to go to holders. It’s about needing even 1% to reach them in a meaningful way. That still hasn’t happened.

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Kash, I get your point — but here’s the thing: a lot of us invested real money into this project, buying into a vision that Jupiter was different. That it wasn’t just another crypto casino, but something more transparent, more aligned with its community. Now we’re being told, “you’re not owed visibility” and “the DAO isn’t here to ask questions.”

Sure, revenue is on-chain — but what about the $70–150 million raised? We don’t know the exact number, where it sits, or how it’s being spent. And that’s frustrating. People just want to know their investment is safe and that the team isn’t overspending. That’s not babysitting — that’s basic stewardship.

But maybe you’re right. Maybe this is just another crypto play: run the marketing, sell the candyland vision, raise the funds… and remind people afterward that “it’s crypto — invest only what you can afford to lose.”

If that’s the case, cool. Just be honest about it. Because so far, I don’t see how Jupiter is “different” at all.

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I get it — no one officially said Litterbox is deflationary, but come on… the way it’s been framed? A lot of us assumed it’d help support the token, not become a vault of “maybe one day” unlocks - let’s wait and see what the team does with all that JUP.

And yeah, maybe I should stop asking questions — it clearly irritates you. But some of us actually bought JUP with our own money, not just as a vibe check, but because we believed in what was being sold to us. Now we’re told: “if you don’t like it, don’t hold it.”

Got it. Message received

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That’s a fair challenge — but let me explain what I mean more clearly.

Jupiter is a business. It makes real money. The JUP token is an optional bonus layer on top of that, not a necessary piece of the engine. The team gets paid stable salaries — plus tokens. Token holders, on the other hand, only have JUP, which we bought with our own money, expecting that as Jupiter grew, our investment would grow too — through price appreciation, ASR, LFG, Litterbox, or other promised benefits.

None of that has really come to fruition. ASR returns have dropped massively — from over 80% to below 40% — and there’s no clear plan for what happens after it runs out. LFG v1 was scrapped. Litterbox is a vault, but there’s no commitment it’ll benefit stakers directly. So yeah — we bear the risk, and the team, frankly, doesn’t. That’s not alignment. That’s a split reality — one insulated, one exposed.

Let me try to clarify what I meant about the 2030 vote “severely weakening” the DAO’s future influence.

The original social contract, loudly and proudly repeated by the team, was the 50/50 token split: half for the team, half for the community. That wasn’t just a numbers thing — it was symbolic of shared control, shared fate, shared value.

The 2030 Proposal broke that symbolism. Whether the vote passed or not (and yes, I know it did), it introduced a precedent: that the community treasury, meant to serve the DAO’s long-term goals, could be tapped to reward the founder in a proposal authored by the team itself. That’s a pretty dramatic shift in principle, especially when the two options presented both involved the DAO giving up 280M JUP either way — the only difference being which pocket it would end up in.

This wasn’t a vote about shared vision — it was a vote about which version of dilution hurt less.

So yes, I think it weakens the DAO. Because it signals that our half of the pie is conditional. It’s not truly ours — it’s available, if needed, to serve the team’s internal incentives. And that changes the dynamic.

You’re right — I do frame things in a strong way. That’s because I care. I’ve written dozens of essays, spent countless hours here, and invested my own capital into a vision of community governance that now feels more like window dressing than a real foundation.

You call it “deeply uncharitable.” Maybe. But from where I’m standing, the real charity is pretending this structure empowers us when it increasingly doesn’t.

All I want — and I know others feel similarly — is for the community to have something real to hold onto.

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