Yes something like this. More like "let’s not make jupuaries the entire point of jupiverse existence ". I think it’s important to Jupiter’s evolution.
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Meow said there would be more Jupanuary’s, cancelling this Jupanuary would create a lot of distaste among JUP users - not great for the long run.
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100% this. If the purpose is defeated then it should be postponed
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He said he wants more jupuaries but it would ultimately be decided by the community.
That’s why it’s being decided by a vote. But voting hasn’t happened yet and there’s all this strife
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thank you for your thoughts, Aro.
re-your q: ‘has Jupiter gathered the right people’
i think Jupiter is already way too big to have gathered solely the more long term viewed people, and frankly i don’t see a way at the moment to:
- keep growing
- keep it pure
tbc Marja
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I made a similar point to Jupholder, of which you understood, you clearly didn’t read what I wrote or your panties are simply in a knot.
If you don’t want to discuss the implications of what you wrote and want broad apathy, then don’t bother to write it next time, has absolutely zero value.
Your point clearly goes to the philosophy of Jupuary and what the purpose should be. That’s very clearly what I responded to, maybe you simply don’t like the opinion, either that or you can’t read.
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I hope you find better use of your time.
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imo the vote should include if jupuary should happen or not, with a dedicated yes or no, if options are apart from this then no humble staker will want to lean against their interest which compensates their bag being filled while milking ASR at the same time.
Let the team decide which decision fits in sustainability of the project. they are more then qualified to act accordingly.
Meow brought up the community vote later on. In Jupanuary Meow made it clear there were more growth rounds. Hence back to my main point. Cancelling this Jupanuary would create a lot of distaste among JUP users - not great for the long run.
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Great post and point of views. I am well aware the nature of recent posts on this site and as well the timing cause many have hard coded in their head the 2nd of November. Its obvious how hard the JUP is being “farmed” and i always state that, but it is what it is and this is just what the reality is right now.
Maybe 70%+ of all the posts lately have been about JUPuary but personally i would like to see more of the posts related to evolution and expansion of the JUP ecosystem. At the end the site its called “jup research” is not called “jup drop”. I think we will soon get back to the core and on track with purpose of this site. 
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On the contrary I think this Jupuary not happening will be better for us in the long run. It would serve as a great filter, those that would have stayed will stay the others will quit and come back after a year. Backlash will come and go
If we were not so stuck on Jupuary happening once a year at a specific time it would have been possible to have random drops to genuine users and community members like Optimism and LayerZero.
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Optimism does a good job at this you’re right, but I have been excited for Jupuary for a while now I hope the vote passes and im sure the team will do a good job with the distribution, i like a lot of the proposals and hope the team use some of those ideas. I didnt realise it was getting so pvp, GOOD VIBES ONLY 
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It does feel like its getting very pvp however if we vote against jupuary how doe the community get those extra tokens? an airdrop is an elegant solution whereas if we gatekeep tokens behind ASR then the only way you get more is by already having JUP whereas the airdrop allows new users who have no tokens to get some say in the ecosystem
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As a new user (literally less than a few days old) with a recent stake in the system I share the sentiment on the post.
I spent a few hours going over the past proposals and as I came to the last few months all discussion is about Jupuary.
Nothing wrong with it, it is an extremely important event, but at the same time the discussions start getting personal and not based on the merits of each point.
I personally started grouping people into two large groups (not to say there aren’t more):
- Those who are sticking to the original ideals
- Those who are focused on the economics underlying this Jupuary
In the end I think we should civilly discuss the way forward as a community and I think we should encourage both camps to make points and not shame them for doing so.
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Some good points here!
All of this has also been addressed by @meow himself in the last J.U.P. Really.
In the 27-minute section between 22:00 and minute 49:00 he made some really clear statements about the upcoming Jupuary and that there would be a lot of debate and ‘‘fight’’ about it in the community.
He also said we don’t wan’t ***holes in the community or a PVP mindset, and that we should do our best to keep a PPP focus. He called it the greatest DAO experiment ever.
Agree with keeping the forum clean. I also think the existing members can be less hostile and judgemental of new members on the forum. I’ve read this forum for a long time but only created an account last week because I had a data-analysis and propsosal to share. It’s not cool getting accused of all kinds of things for contributing to the community.
It is still very important that we have respectful discussions and argue about the best way forward. There is no reason to first wait for an official proposal by the team IMO.
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About Jupuary, Meow made it clear that he wants there to be 2 more rounds of Jupuary, but that in the end it’s the community which decide. The sentiment on the Jupresearch forum seems to be that at least 80% to 90% of people is in support of more Jupuary’s, so we have to continue to talk about the IF of Jupuary, but about the HOW.
Also in my opinion the team and the community can’t afford to cancel round #2 anymore, because the round #2 period from November 2nd 2023 to November 2nd 2024 has already been completed. It’s only the airdrop for all the round 2 activity which is still pending.
You could only cancel any new round, which would be round #3 starting this week and the coming 12 months, without completely betraying all trust of the Jupiter community.
Round #2 has been clearly promised by Meow last year:
We await for a proposal by the team of HOW to do Jupuary, and the community will continue to discuss it and vote on it in the DAO. In the meantime, we can share and discuss any valid arguments (no personal attacks) and any data-based analysis and insights.
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Exactly this! This is the entire point.
It is still very possible to cancel this round. This will be decided at the vote. If more tokens vote NO than YES then there will be no Jupuary 2.
Also there is no announcement of a snapshot, I would like for us to stop sharing this wrong information.
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I think a lock period makes sense and incentives for longer lock periods.
Getting the incentive structure right is the key goal IMO.
Another great point brought up in this discussion is that the people receiving the most JUP from jupuary inherently will have the most voting power relative to the smaller recipients. Who do you want to have more relative voting power?
That is a great question to ponder about.
I also remember last Jupuary, and remember it as one of the most effective onboarding methods for getting people more curious about web3 that I’ve seen in a long time. This perspective is often overlooked, in favor of current holders. Thinking about the long-term is more important than the short-term. That goes for the question above as well.
Some deep and thoughtful discussions are to come. Looking forward to it.
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I am confused on the PPP front.
By PPP do we mean something equivalent to Game theory?
Wouldn’t the market turn PvP at the top when we want to book our profits?
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